Heart Failure Deep Dive SeriesEp 2 of 4
Diabetes Drugs For Stiff Heart Failure

Hosted by Sarah Mitchell & James Carter

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Sarah Mitchell

Welcome to the Deep Dive. So, imagine a disease that is just so stubborn, uh so notoriously difficult to treat that for 30 years every single miracle drug they threw at it just completely failed.

James Carter

Yeah, completely.

Sarah Mitchell

Right. And frustrated cardiologists literally started calling this condition the uh the graveyard of clinical trials. Because everything just went there to die.

James Carter

And you know, they really weren't exaggerating with that name. I mean, you'd see these massive pharmaceutical successes, these blockbuster drugs that had revolutionized almost every other heart condition, and they would just hit an absolute brick wall here.

Sarah Mitchell

Wow.

James Carter

It was incredibly demoralizing for the whole medical community. They were essentially uh flying blind for decades.

Sarah Mitchell

Which is wild to think about. So, today we are going to look at exactly how an entire medical field got a major disease wrong for all those years.

James Carter

Yeah.

Sarah Mitchell

We're pulling our insights today from an incredibly detailed medical audio series. It's titled HFpEF Breakthroughs: Solving Cardiology's Greatest Mystery. And as you listen today, you might actually realize why a loved one's breathlessness isn't just them, you know, getting out of shape.

James Carter

Right, it could be something much more specific.

Sarah Mitchell

Exactly. It could be the very medical mystery we're unpacking right now.

James Carter

And it is a fascinating source to go through. It serves as a real testament to what happens when science stops um taking entrenched assumptions for granted. Like when they stop trying to force old solutions onto new problems and actually start doing some on the ground detective work.

Sarah Mitchell

So, to understand this massive breakthrough, we have to start with the biological target that, well, defied science for so long. We're talking about heart failure, but specifically, a type called HFpEF.

James Carter

Right.

Sarah Mitchell

And that stands for Heart Failure with Preserved Ejection Fraction.

James Carter

Yeah, and to set the stage properly here, we really need to contrast that with a type of heart failure most people and honestly, for a long time, most doctors typically think of.

Sarah Mitchell

And that would be HFrEF, which is heart failure with reduced ejection fraction.

James Carter

Right, reduced.

Sarah Mitchell

Now, HFpEF, the preserved kind we're diving into today, it's not some like rare, obscure edge case.

James Carter

Oh, not at all.

Sarah Mitchell

According to our sources, it accounts for more than half of all heart failure diagnoses. More than half. So we're talking about millions of patients globally.

James Carter

Yeah, and its prevalence is actually rising rapidly. As global populations age and as, you know, obesity rates and metabolic syndrome climb, this specific type of heart failure is becoming increasingly common.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah.

James Carter

Yet for 20 years, if you were one of those millions of patients sitting in an exam room, you're essentially told there was no proven treatment for your underlying condition.

Sarah Mitchell

Which is just terrifying.

James Carter

It really is.

Sarah Mitchell

So, to really visualize why it was so hard to treat, let's look at the mechanics. Let's think of the heart like a like a plumbing system for a house.

James Carter

Okay, I like that.

Sarah Mitchell

The other kind of heart failure, the reduced kind, is like a weak, burned-out water pump. It just lacks the electrical and physical power to push the water out into the pipes.

James Carter

The motor is dying. And that is what doctors call systolic dysfunction. The ejection fraction, which is the percentage of blood squeezed out is visibly low.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah, and that's why they call it systolic failure. The squeeze itself is what's broken.

Sarah Mitchell

But HFpEF, the one we're tracking today, is completely different. The pump mechanism itself, the motor pushing the water out works perfectly fine.

James Carter

Exactly.

Sarah Mitchell

The ejection fraction is preserved, meaning it's at like 50% or above. So instead, HFpEF is like a stiff, rigid, rusted pipe that just can't expand to let the water inside in the first place.

James Carter

That is a brilliant way to picture it, honestly. And the medical term for that rusted pipe scenario is diastolic dysfunction.

Sarah Mitchell

Diastolic.

James Carter

Right. The left ventricle of the heart becomes stiff. It becomes hypertrophied, which means thickened, and highly fibrotic, so it's filled with scar tissue.

Sarah Mitchell

Oh.

James Carter

Because it's so rigid, it simply cannot relax normally to fill with blood between beats.

Sarah Mitchell

Okay, let's unpack this. The pump's motor works, but there's no water getting into the chamber to be pumped out.

James Carter

Precisely.

Sarah Mitchell

So the filling pressures inside the heart rise, everything backs up into the lungs, and the patient experiences, well, severe breathlessness, fluid retention, terrible exercise tolerance.

James Carter

Yeah, it's miserable.

Sarah Mitchell

But if the pump works, why were doctors using the exact same drugs for the rusted pipe that they used for the broken pump?

James Carter

Well, what's fascinating here is how that mechanical difference completely changes the biological profile of the patient. And ultimately, it explains why all those old treatments failed so spectacularly.

Sarah Mitchell

Because they were treating the wrong thing.

James Carter

Exactly. For decades, doctors approached that stiff, rigid heart the exact same way they approached the weak, burned out heart. They used what we call neurohormonal drugs, so ACE inhibitors, ARBs, beta blockers.

Sarah Mitchell

I recognize those names. Those are the like classic heavy hitters of cardiology.

James Carter

They are. But what do they actually do?

Sarah Mitchell

They essentially block the body's adrenaline and stress response. If you have a weak, failing motor, blocking the stress hormones that force the heart to work harder is a great strategy, you know, it gives the weak heart a rest.

Sarah Mitchell

But we aren't dealing with a weak motor, we are dealing with a rusted pipe. Taking the stress off a rusted pipe doesn't make it any less rusted.

James Carter

Precisely the problem.

Sarah Mitchell

Mm-hmm.

James Carter

And the HFpEF patients are fundamentally different biologically.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah.

James Carter

The source points out they tend to be older, they're more likely to be female, and they are much more likely to be obese.

Sarah Mitchell

And they have a whole cluster of other complex issues, right? Hypertension, atrial fibrillation, diabetes.

James Carter

Yeah, they are managing severe systemic comorbidities. The incredible realization the field eventually came to is that the true driver of this disease wasn't an overactive neurohormonal stress response at all.

Sarah Mitchell

Okay.

James Carter

It was microvascular inflammation. It was a systemic body-wide issue. The heart wasn't failing because its motor was broken, it was becoming stiff and fibrotic because the entire environment of the body was inflamed.

Sarah Mitchell

So doctors were basically treating the completely wrong pathway for 20 years.

James Carter

They were.

Sarah Mitchell

And I'm looking at the trial data in our sources and it is just an absolute bloodbath. In 2003, you have the CHARM Preserved trial testing a drug called candesartan, neutral result, total miss. Then in 2008, I-Preserve tests irbesartan. Again, neutral. But wait, I'm looking at the notes on this one trial from 2014 called TOPCAT and it sounds like a true medical detective story.

James Carter

Ah, yes. TOPCAT is legendary in cardiology circles.

Sarah Mitchell

It tested a drug called Spironolactone. And on paper, it was declared another equivocal, neutral failure. But our sources say it was highly controversial.

James Carter

Oh, very.

Sarah Mitchell

I'm looking at this weird footnote about geography. The data showed that patients enrolled in the Americas actually had a positive signal, like they got better. But patients enrolled in Russia and Georgia showed absolutely zero benefit.

James Carter

Yeah, it's wild.

Sarah Mitchell

How does a chemical compound care what continent you're standing on?

James Carter

It doesn't, obviously. That geographic split is one of the most stunning post-hoc realizations in modern clinical research.

Sarah Mitchell

Post-hoc, meaning after the fact.

James Carter

Exactly. A post-hoc analysis is when researchers go back and look at the data after the trial is already over, just to see if they missed something.

Sarah Mitchell

So when they dug into why the Eastern European cohort showed zero benefit, they decided to analyze the stored frozen blood samples from those patients. Specifically, they looked for a compound called canrenone.

Sarah Mitchell

Wait, what is canrenone?

James Carter

It's the active metabolite of the drug spironolactone. So essentially, it's what should be floating around in your bloodstream if you are actually swallowing the pill every day.

Sarah Mitchell

Oh, I see where this is going.

James Carter

Yeah. In a massive portion of those patients in Russia and Georgia, their canrenone levels were near zero.

Sarah Mitchell

Are you kidding? How does a multi-million dollar international clinical trial just not realize half their patients aren't even taking the medication?

James Carter

It pointed to a massive failure in trial oversight and extreme non-adherence. But the forensic work revealed something even worse actually.

Sarah Mitchell

Worse than not taking the med?

James Carter

Yeah. Based on the clinical data and event rates, many of those Eastern European patients likely didn't even have HFpEF in the first place.

Sarah Mitchell

So they were misdiagnosed, potentially just to hit enrollment quotas.

James Carter

That is strongly the implication. Yeah. The trial failed overall because a huge chunk of the participants either didn't have the disease or just weren't taking the drug.

Sarah Mitchell

Wow.

James Carter

But if you statistically isolated just the patients in the Americas, the ones who were properly diagnosed and actually took the medication, there was a real tangible signal of benefit.

Sarah Mitchell

But because of the overall trial's strict statistical design, it went down in the history books as just another failure in the graveyard.

James Carter

Exactly. And that era of failure left cardiologists incredibly cynical. Our source material notes that doctors essentially gave up on treating the underlying disease process of the stiff heart.

Sarah Mitchell

They just threw their hands up.

James Carter

Pretty much. They just started managing the surface level symptoms, they control the blood pressure, give diuretics, you know, water pills to clear out some of the fluid from the lungs and just send the patient home.

Sarah Mitchell

They just accepted defeat, at least until they finally stopped looking at the heart as an isolated mechanical pump and started looking at the whole metabolic system.

James Carter

Which brings us to the breakthrough. Because the root cause of that stiff rusted pipe was actually systemic inflammation and metabolic dysfunction, the cure didn't come from a traditional heart stimulant.

Sarah Mitchell

Right.

James Carter

It came from metabolic therapies. Specifically, a class of drugs called SGLT2 inhibitors. This is the turning point that changed the entire landscape.

Sarah Mitchell

Let's talk about the sheer magnitude of this turning point. What exactly is an SGLT2 inhibitor? Because if I remember correctly, these were originally invented for diabetes, right?

James Carter

Yes, they were.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah.

James Carter

SGLT2 stands for sodium glucose co-transporter 2. In simple terms, these drugs work in the kidneys. They prevent your body from reabsorbing sugar, forcing you to excrete excess glucose and the calories and sodium that go with it straight out through your urine.

Sarah Mitchell

Okay, let's unpack this. We have a stiff fibrotic heart. How does peeing out sugar fix a rusted pipe?

James Carter

That was the mystery. But in 2021, the EMPEROR-Preserved trial was published. They tested an SGLT2 inhibitor called Empagliflozin on nearly 6,000 heart failure patients.

Sarah Mitchell

Okay.

James Carter

And for the first time in 30 years, the result was overwhelmingly positive. We are talking about a massive 21% relative risk reduction in cardiovascular death or hospitalization for heart failure.

Sarah Mitchell

21%? That's huge.

James Carter

It really is.

Sarah Mitchell

And the sources emphasize that this benefit was largely driven by a massive reduction in hospitalizations, like people were actually staying out of the emergency room.

James Carter

Exactly.

Sarah Mitchell

Plus, this wasn't some statistical trick where it only worked on borderline cases. This effect held strong even in the true HFpEF patients, the ones with an ejection fraction well above 60%.

James Carter

Right, the ones with the preserved function.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah, their pumps were firing perfectly, but their pipes were completely stiff, and this diabetes drug helped them.

James Carter

And, you know, in science, one trial is great, but replication is everything. So the very next year, in 2022, the DELIVER trial confirmed it. They tested a very similar drug, Dapagliflozin, and saw an 18% relative risk reduction.

Sarah Mitchell

Wow.

James Carter

When researchers pooled the data from both trials, the effect was undeniable across the board. Overnight, the standard of care for more than half of all heart failure patients went from a literal zero evidence base to undeniable, life-changing efficacy.

Sarah Mitchell

Here's where it gets really interesting, though, the mechanism. Why did a diabetes drug work when every single traditional heart medication failed?

James Carter

Yeah, that's the big question.

Sarah Mitchell

Because they don't just act as standard water pills to remove fluid. The source text explains they actively fight fibrosis. They actually physically reduce visceral fat and specifically epicardial fat.

James Carter

And the epicardial fat angle is absolutely crucial to understanding this disease.

Sarah Mitchell

Hold on. You're telling me a drug originally designed for blood sugar and metabolism is physically shrinking the fat around the heart and that's what cures the stiffness? That completely upends how I thought cardiology worked.

James Carter

Yeah, if we connect this to the bigger picture, it perfectly illustrates the shift in how we understand this condition. Epicardial fat is the adipose tissue directly enveloping the heart muscle. In an obese patient with metabolic syndrome, that fat tissue isn't just inert extra weight sitting there.

Sarah Mitchell

It's doing something.

James Carter

Exactly. It is highly biologically active. It behaves like a toxic organ, releasing inflammatory signals and cytokines directly into the myocardium, the heart muscle itself.

Sarah Mitchell

So going back to our analogy, the epicardial fat is basically pouring corrosive acid onto the outside of the pipe, causing it to rust and stiffen. It's literally bathing the heart in inflammation.

James Carter

That is a perfect extension of the metaphor, yeah. That localized inflammation drives the collagen deposits and fibrosis that make the heart rigid.

Sarah Mitchell

Makes sense.

James Carter

So when SGLT2 inhibitors reduce that epicardial fat mass, they're effectively cutting off the inflammatory acid supply at the source. The heart can finally begin to function without being constantly assaulted by its own surrounding tissue.

Sarah Mitchell

It proves that you can't just treat the heart like a mechanical pump floating in a vacuum. Treating a localized organ failure sometimes requires you to treat the entire systemic metabolic environment of the human body.

James Carter

It is a profound philosophical shift in modern medicine. And once that dam broke, and researchers realized this specific disease was actually treatable, it gave them the courage to look backward.

Sarah Mitchell

To look back at the graveyard.

James Carter

Exactly. They looked back at the messy history of the TOPCAT trial we discussed earlier, the one with the massive non-adherence in Eastern Europe, and they asked, what if there really was a signal there in the Americas? Can we test that pathway again and get it right this time?

Sarah Mitchell

Which brings us to a massive redemption story, the MRA comeback. The success of targeting inflammation paved the way for a brand new, highly controlled trial in 2024 called FINEARTS-HF.

James Carter

Right.

Sarah Mitchell

And this trial completely vindicated a class of drugs called non-steroidal MRAs. Specifically, a drug called Finerenone.

James Carter

It did. But let's clarify what an MRA is. It stands for mineralocorticoid receptor antagonist.

Sarah Mitchell

That's a mouthful.

James Carter

It is, yeah. These drugs block certain hormones like aldosterone that promote salt retention, fluid buildup and critically, fibrosis and scarring in the heart tissue.

Sarah Mitchell

And Finerenone nailed it. It successfully reduced worsening heart failure events and cardiovascular death. It became the very first non-SGLT2 therapy to show a clear, undeniable benefit.

James Carter

The arsenal is finally expanding. The sources note that the 2024 European Society of Cardiology guidelines now confidently recommend both classes of drugs, SGLT2 inhibitors and MRAs for these patients.

Sarah Mitchell

That's incredible.

James Carter

We went from zero options to two major proven therapies in just a few short years.

Sarah Mitchell

So, what does this all mean for the actual patient sitting in the doctor's office? Because to your point earlier, having the right drugs on the shelf is entirely useless if the physician in the room doesn't know who to prescribe them to.

James Carter

That's very true.

Sarah Mitchell

How do doctors actually diagnose this stiff heart condition when the pump looks like it's working fine on a standard ultrasound?

James Carter

This raises an important question, and it is arguably the biggest remaining hurdle in the field. The clinical reality of diagnosing this disease is incredibly tricky. Think about the symptoms: severe breathlessness, poor exercise tolerance, persistent fatigue.

Sarah Mitchell

Were the classic signs that you're just getting older?

James Carter

Exactly. Now remember the patient profile we established. These are often older, obese patients managing other conditions like diabetes or joint pain. If an older overweight patient comes into a clinic complaining that they get out of breath walking up a single flight of stairs, what does the doctor usually see?

Sarah Mitchell

They just see someone who is out of shape. Simple deconditioning.

James Carter

Exactly. It mimics simple deconditioning or obesity hypoventilation or pulmonary hypertension. It basically looks like a dozen other mundane conditions.

Sarah Mitchell

Which means they get told to lose a few pounds, take it easy, and they get sent home without the life-saving SGLT2 inhibitor.

James Carter

Which is a modern medical tragedy. Now, doctors do have formal algorithms to help catch this. The source mentions two specific diagnostic scoring systems, the H2FPEF score and the HFPEF algorithm.

Sarah Mitchell

Okay.

James Carter

These are checklists that look at echocardiogram data, age, obesity, atrial fibrillation, and a crucial biomarker called NT-proBNP.

Sarah Mitchell

I want to spend some real time on this biomarker NT-proBNP because the source material points out a massive dangerous trap here. First, what is a biomarker in this context?

James Carter

It's a measurable substance in the blood. In this case, NT-proBNP is basically a chemical distress signal sent out by the heart muscle when it's stretching and straining.

Sarah Mitchell

Like an SOS.

James Carter

Exactly. It is the gold standard indicator for heart failure. If a patient comes in breathless and that blood test comes back elevated, the doctor immediately investigates the heart.

Sarah Mitchell

The trap is that in obese patients, NT-proBNP is systematically lower. The fat tissue literally suppresses the distress signal.

James Carter

This is a vital piece of biology. Fat cells actually express clearance receptors that vacuum the NT-proBNP peptide out of the bloodstream.

Sarah Mitchell

Wow.

James Carter

So the more adipose fat tissue a patient has, the faster their body clears away the distress signal.

Sarah Mitchell

Let me make sure I understand this. The patient has severe, life-threatening heart failure. Their stiff heart is screaming for help, pumping out this biomarker, but their excess fat tissue is vacuuming up the evidence before the blood test can detect it.

James Carter

Yes. So the lab results come back looking perfectly normal.

Sarah Mitchell

That's terrifying.

James Carter

It is. If a doctor doesn't explicitly adjust their diagnostic threshold downward for an obese patient, like, if they just look at the standard reference range on the lab printout, they will miss the diagnosis entirely.

Sarah Mitchell

And for you listening, this is where the rubber meets the road. As the population ages, as metabolic conditions rise, the statistical reality is that you, or a parent, or someone you love, is highly likely to encounter these exact diagnostic challenges.

James Carter

Statistically, yes.

Sarah Mitchell

Being aware of how these symptoms mimic simple deconditioning, and knowing that standard biomarker tests can be artificially skewed by weight, could literally be life-saving advocacy. You might have to be the one to ask the doctor, could this be HFpEF? Did we adjust the NT-proBNP threshold for weight?

James Carter

It is the ultimate example of why being an informed patient or an informed advocate for your family is so vital. We have the miracle drugs now. But correct diagnosis is the only gateway to care.

Sarah Mitchell

Let's distill all of this down. Looking at our deep dive today, there are three core truths that emerge from these sources. First, the 30-year medical mystery is definitively solved. HFpEF is no longer an untreatable graveyard of clinical trials. It is highly treatable.

James Carter

Second, the mechanisms of this disease are fundamentally rooted in systemic inflammation and metabolic comorbidities. It's the epicardial fat rusting the pipe, not the neurohormonal issues that define a weak heart pump.

Sarah Mitchell

Right.

James Carter

And third, rigorous, fat-adjusted diagnosis is the new critical gateway to getting these breakthrough treatments.

Sarah Mitchell

The science has finally caught up to the disease. We've stopped treating the symptoms and started treating the environment.

Sarah Mitchell

But there's one tiny tease in the source text that we have to leave you with, something to mull over after this finishes. The text mentions that GLP-1 receptor agonists, the famous metabolic weight loss drugs everyone in the world is talking about right now, are up next.

James Carter

Oh, definitely.

Sarah Mitchell

They are currently being studied for showing direct cardiac benefits in these exact patients beyond just the weight loss itself.

James Carter

It is absolutely the next frontier of clinical trials.

Sarah Mitchell

Which makes you wonder. If metabolic drugs like SGLT2s and GLP-1s are now proving to be the absolute most effective treatments for heart failure, does the future of medicine require us to permanently stop viewing the heart as an isolated mechanical pump?

James Carter

It really makes you think.

Sarah Mitchell

Yeah. Is the future of cardiology actually just endocrinology?

James Carter

It is a question that challenges the very foundation of how we divide up medical specialties. The heart is not an island.

Sarah Mitchell

It really isn't. The graveyard of clinical trials has officially been paved over, and something entirely new and incredibly hopeful is being built on top of it. Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. Keep questioning the world around you, keep looking for those blind spots, and we'll see you next time.

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Key Takeaways
  • EMPEROR-Preserved and DELIVER: both SGLT2 inhibitors significantly reduce HF hospitalisation in HFpEF - first drugs to do so after 20 years of failed trials
  • FINEARTS-HF 2024: finerenone (non-steroidal MRA) also reduces worsening HF events in HFmrEF/HFpEF
  • HFpEF driven by inflammation, fibrosis, metabolic comorbidities - not neurohormonal activation; explains why earlier drug classes failed
  • Structured HFpEF diagnosis using HFA-PEFF or H2FPEF algorithms is now clinically important as effective treatments exist

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Mitchell S. Diabetes drugs for stiff heart failure. The Life Science Feed. Published June 1, 2026. Updated July 15, 2026. Accessed July 16, 2026. https://thelifesciencefeed.com/cardiology/heart-failure/research/diabetes-drugs-for-stiff-heart-failure.

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